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| From: | HeatherB | 6/30/2008 10:59 am |
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Hi Everyone, Don't forget we're starting to read Three Cups of Tea by Greg Mortenson this week! I hope to hear lots of comments about this one. :) |
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| | | | | 17650.2 in reply to 17650.1 | |
| Well, I have started reading the book, and I am so impressed with this man. Just reading how he cared for his little sister is quite inspiring, and that's just on the second page of the book. |
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| | | | | 17650.3 in reply to 17650.2 | |
| Yes I have just started reading it too and right off the bat I get this feeling of goodness from him. |
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| | | | | 17650.4 in reply to 17650.3 | |
The beginning of the book was rather difficult for me. The writer's diction is so clumsy, each sentence so awkward, that I was overwhelmingly frustrated at first. It was not until Greg's arrival in Korphe that I stopped thinking about how much I disliked the writing and started enjoying the story that was being told.
d "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter.
Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - SB |
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| | | | | 17650.5 in reply to 17650.4 | |
Well I'm glad you stuck with it. :) I'd like to start with our first reading guide question: There is a telling passage about Mortenson’s change of direction at the start of the book: “One evening, he went to bed by a yak dung fire a mountaineer who’d lost his way, and one morning, by the time he’d shared a pot of butter tea with his hosts and laced up his boots, he’d become a humanitarian who’d found a meaningful path to follow for the rest of his life.” What made Mortenson particularly ripe for such a transformation? Has anything similar happened in your own life? |
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| | | | | 17650.6 in reply to 17650.5 | |
I think he was sort of born for it. By which I mean his parents were missionaries, and so he'd sort of lived that life since he was a child.In effect, they modeled it for him. Perhaps his nature is a particularly giving one. Certainly he seemed somewhat aimless up to that point, although successfully so, in that he was well-educated, had a good job (when he wanted), had family and friends, and his love of mountain climbing. But in that moment everything he had been and could be came together, and the vision, the idea, sort of sprang forth, fully grown, like Athena from Zeus' head. |
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| | | | | 17650.7 in reply to 17650.6 | |
I love the Athena analogy. I wonder are some people just born to greatness though, or is something you create within yourself. There are so many people in the world with so much potential, are we all going the same aimless way with only a few embracing their true self? |
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| | | | | 17650.8 in reply to 17650.7 | |
Well, that requires answering the seemingly simply question: what is a self? Then, does that self have an inherent relationship to any community? What makes anything, most especially the Self, true and authentic? Can such words even be applied to a person's existence? These questions are a life-long personal struggle and also have a wing of academia reserved for their perusal.
There are people in the world like Greg Mortenson whose lives fit a beautiful narrative, whose achievements are profound and remarkable in the large scale. Yet, certainly, a good mother is great. An influencial teacher is great, right?
It seems to me quite a waste to harp on wasted potential. Every person lives the only life they can live. To speak of unfulfilled potential is to bring in ideas of regret which are not of much use. When children die before their lives bear fruit - that is the saddest thing, but who are the survivors to guess what could have been?
As for the aimless, who are many, they have every opportunity to find a way in this world of many ways. It seems, often, people just limit their exposure to these opportunities.
Unfortunately, I grew up in the "everyone is special" school of those born after 1980. And I believe this generation to be the most ill-equipped to measure its own potential because all of our teachers and parents told us that we could be anything we imagined and that we deserved praise for doing and earning absolutely nothing. But that is neither here nor there.
Greg Mortenson was truly well prepared for a great life - one that touched many. His parents made a fine example. Climbing and nursing helped him find this amazing path. His intuition was spot on. Surely, he wouldn't have had all his personal belongings in storage if he wasn't waiting to be called to his vocation, however unconsciously. He clearly remained a humble person - something most remarkable. And there was some luck involved in his journey.
... quite a story. I still wish it could have been presented by a better writer with an attentive editor, but that would be asking too much.
d "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter.
Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - SB |
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| | | | | 17650.9 in reply to 17650.7 | |
First to Delfina-your answer was amazingly well thought out. Next, Heather, to the question you posed: Are some people just born to greatness? Keeping in mind everything Delfina said, your question, Heather, brings to mind destiny, fate and all that. In Mortenson's case, I don't think he was born to greatness. He was born with certain capabilities (a gift for connecting with people); he seems to have little ambition in the usual sense, or our curious American need for things. He had an idea and he then had the ability to subsume his own life in deference to that idea (his ideal, remember, was Mother Theresa). He had grit, determination, a lack of self-consciousness (in other words he did not mind looking foolish). He was able to wait and endure. His family also gave him the gift of service, which we also see in his job of trauma nurse. All of these things came together, so that, in retrospect, it looks almost easy. But it was very difficult. So, to answer your question, I would go with the "something you create within yourself" answer. |
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| | | | | 17650.10 in reply to 17650.1 | |
| I've finished the book and I'm also a great fan of Greg Mortensen, although I have one or two doubts about the book itself... |
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| | | | | 17650.11 in reply to 17650.5 | |
| I'm afraid not. I'm still a mountaineer who's lost his way, so to speak. |
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| | | | | 17650.12 in reply to 17650.8 | |
| I absolutely agree with your analysis of the basic choice Greg makes and of the sudden way he made it, as Gimissung pointed out. I think I'd better hold back on my reservations about the book until everyone's finished it, though. I wasn't so upset by the ghost writer's style as you were, Delfina. I'd say it was par for a journalist. It was comprehensible, and at times quite evocative really. After all, the story comes over and we're in a position to discuss it. It is after all supposed to be an informative, factual account, not a work of art. |
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| | | | | 17650.13 in reply to 17650.12 | |
sure, now that i've finished reading it, i'm no longer so upset about the writing. if it were more journalistic, there'd be less of an issue for me, since it was the often florid and convoluted phrasing that was such a distraction.
i must admit: during the last few days that i've been without the book, i very much miss reading about greg's travels.
i'll be recommending it despite my small gripes.
d "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter.
Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - SB |
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| | | | | 17650.14 in reply to 17650.12 | |
I didn't have any trouble with his style. That kind of bothers me, I guess, but I don't think I'm a very good critic about things like that. Actually, I've read much worse than this. I think of 'ghostwriters' who are, in general, horrid writers. This author was able to get the narrative ball rolling, so to speak, and flesh out Mortenson' story and character. I didn't want it to end, either, Delfina. Actually, I read in the Sunday paper, that the Taliban are gaining strength in Pakistan, and I'm so worried about the country, the schools, and Korphe. Hey, Brainiac, are you back in Hungary? Did you enjoy your trip to the Chester meet? I read a few of the posts over the weekend; everyone sounded like they were having a good time. |
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| | | | | 17650.15 in reply to 17650.14 | |
| I think I'll hold fire on 3CoT for a little and await further questions, as my queries are mainly with the development of the story and how it relates to US propaganda needs at that time. OT: The Chester meet was splendid and took in Liverpool (my daughter went with most of them), choral vespers and free wine in Chester Cathedral (Sniffemout and I), for instance, then on to the Lakes (Beatrix Potter and Arthur Ransome) and the afternoon tea of a lifetime at a Windermere hotel and a look next morning at the grounds of the BBC "Pemberley" near Stockport. You missed something! Hobbitlass and I are busy doing Budapest and Szentendre at the moment and watching literary videos (Swallows and Amazons and Carrie's War so far). Then I suppose it really will all be over when she flies off on Sunday. |
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| | | | | 17650.16 in reply to 17650.15 | |
Hi guys, Sorry I was out of the conversation this week. I must admit I started reading this book a little late and have been trying to play catch up. I haven't felt upset by the ghostwriting style, but I do feel it didn't do quite as much justice to the story in some ways because the writing isn't especially fantastic. I keep comparing it to My Heart is Africa by Scott Griffen, which I thought was beautifully written. However, the story itself is so captivating like delfina I can forgive the ghostwriter all the small faults. |
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| | | | | 17650.17 in reply to 17650.16 | |
So next reading guide question to discuss: Relin gives a “warts and all” portrait of Mortenson, showing him as a hero but also as a flawed human being with some exasperating traits. Talk about how Relin chose to write about Mortenson’s character—his choice of details, his perspective, the way he constructs scenes. Is Mortenson someone you’d like to get to know, work with, or have as a neighbor or friend? |
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| | | | | 17650.18 in reply to 17650.17 | |
That is a very interesting question. I haven't yet finished the book, so I don't know how he continues to describe Greg, but I think that by portraying him in the light that he has, it shows that Greg is human just like the rest of us. I think that one thing the author had to be really careful with this book is giving Greg a super-hero quality. To the point where his readers might feel like Greg is the perfect man that nobody can emulate and he is so above all of us. For example, my favorite scene of the "real Greg" was when Marina broke up with him. The fact that he still gets heartbroken when his girlfriend breaks up with him, shows to me that he is just trying to get through life just like the rest of us. And that he still makes mistakes--he could have saved that relationship.
Edited 7/14/2008 8:45 am by Kimi33 |
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| | | | | 17650.19 in reply to 17650.18 | |
Hi Kimi, I think you made an interesting point here. David Relin (the ghostwriter) certainly had to be very careful not to show him as being flawless and so make the story seem unreal. I liked seeing his human qualities too. I think that by bringing out his human qualities (crying on the side of the mountain) made what he did seem possible to me. With some stories of humanitarian efforts I've found myself saying occasionally "well he/she could do that because he/she is different in some way (more adept, smarter ....). Instead here I saw that what Greg accomplished was something not just unique to him, but to lots of people. He just went one step at a time and often had no idea what he was going to do. |
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| | | | | 17650.20 in reply to 17650.8 | |
Re: Your comment:
"Unfortunately, I grew up in the "everyone is special" school of those born after 1980. And I believe this generation to be the most ill-equipped to measure its own potential because all of our teachers and parents told us that we could be anything we imagined and that we deserved praise for doing and earning absolutely nothing."
Well put, and I'm glad you feel that way. This "everyone is special" stuff sounds lovely, but it creates a cesspool of lethargy. Why strive to shine?
In retrospect, the teachers I most appreciate from my years in elementary and high school in the 1960s and 1970s are the older ones - those who were more inclined to be sticklers for perfection when it came to phonics, spelling, grammar, writing style, essay research and footnoting... Yes, it was more difficult earning their approval than getting a pleasant "good enough, you tried," but it was more satisfying, because it really meant something.
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